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Post by TestSubjekt on Aug 8, 2006 20:23:02 GMT -5
Just because you've been through it doesn't mean others don't want to try. I'm not writing off what you say. Quite the opposite in fact. I just hesitate giving up on a 7 year old community. shimmer...Scout ain't the FanHome you remember. It was the posters that made it great. Not the shell of the site itself. And now there's no one upstairs that actually cares about the FanHome posters. "Leave if you don't like the way things are"...was the gist I got from my convo with Miller. FWIW, I PM'ed another longtime FanHome football mod and invited him here and he shared his experiences with Scout with me, which I shall now share with you...because it helps me make my point. I like the effort man, and I'll do my best to come over, but I really don't read/post on message boards anymore. I'm only around the mod board becasue they wont remove my access....I'm definitely nto an active mod, and barely even an active poster.
All the best of luck to you. No one hates Scout more than I do...the football section got it the worst (and the earliest), and as the CM, I had not only my own powers stripped, but also the powers of all of my mods who had worked so hard. And what are you supposed to tell a volunteer who's worked hard for five years and then gets fired?
Scout, and especialyl guys liek Stephen Miller, ahve hated me for quite some time now. Especialyl ebcasue I call them out at every turn. BUt they deserve it. Two years ago during the Superbowl, tehy took awawy all of the mods powers during the weeks leading up to and during the actual Superbowl. We had no way to control anything.
Anyway I could go on for quite some time, but I think my time fighting the Scotu bastards has run past me.
I hope you succeed. Having fans from other teams interacting is a great idea. Even if opposing fans won't buy your subscriptions, they still can raise intellectual discussions and contribute in a meangingful way.
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Post by johnf on Aug 8, 2006 20:34:16 GMT -5
Just because you've been through it doesn't mean others don't want to try. I'm not writing off what you say. Quite the opposite in fact. I just hesitate giving up on a 7 year old community. See, this is the logic that never maks sense to me and Shimmer -- I don't say this to attack you or the FanHome community but... FanHome as everyone who ever posted on FanHome and the xboards sites between 1999 and 2002 is gone. Scout assimilated it. When I suggested people move to another site -- you, like others, though I was attacking the community, the concept of the community and fanhome itself. THat's wrong and the logic of defending Scout.com is wrong. You and everyone else who is a long time member of FanHome aren't giving up on the community at all. Anyone who suggests moving is not giving up on the community itself at all. They ARE giving up on the hosts -- Scout.com. Scout isn't interested in the FanHome community in the same way that each of you as users were and are interested in it. They're interested in it as a demographic. As a sports consumer and also as a way to help propel Scout to help launch it's own sites dedicated to specific sports teams. You've seen that over the course of the last few years -- Scout's been trying to assimilate FanHome and basically has done so. You've seen regulars leave time and again not so much because they gave up on the community but the host of that community pushed them out with new rules, lower standards, etc. FanHome is gone but the community lives on. The problem is WHERE that community lives... For every ill thing that has been said about Scout over the last 4 years, it gives another reason why it'd be wise for the commmunity to move to sunnier pastures.
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Post by coolguy3 on Aug 8, 2006 20:39:41 GMT -5
LionsFanSpectular, a very good CM back in his prime. Now he just lingers like the rest of us. There is a solid core of football mods who have been going through this ever since the merger. We are dog tired...
TyPenn, great post. We both moved up the chain of command in a very similar pattern. Interesting.
For everyone who still wants to try and make it work and believe Miller is honestly doing everything he can for us to succeed then let me tell you that once the Publishers found out about the football general forums, they were outraged and that's when you saw all the links to any of the general forums removed. If Miller really cared about the mods and admins of the general forums and wanted the general forums to be successful, then why were all the links removed? You can't find a way into the general boards unless you have it bookmarked or there is link on the team boards put up by a Fanhome Mod at some point.
So then you have to ask yourself if Miller doesn't care about the general forums, why are the general forums there? How long will they be there for? They are only taking up bandwidth and costing Scout money to keep the afloat. Why haven't they taken them down is beyond me but I think we need to get out and grab as many people before it collapses down on us.
If the majority of mods/admins and solid posters can make a united transfer, we should be able to build another sports community.
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Post by coolguy3 on Aug 8, 2006 20:44:06 GMT -5
Good post Johnf and I agree. It's what I've been trying to pass along the whole time.
Willie (tvoman) actually brought me to your old boards but I got busy and wasn't able to contribute the way I could have. They were very cool boards though.
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Post by johnf on Aug 8, 2006 20:46:59 GMT -5
Everybody else got busy too -- Willie, Matt, etc. Make sure you tell Willie I say hola y como estas...
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Post by coolguy3 on Aug 8, 2006 20:54:33 GMT -5
lol, will do. Since we have rival boards we talk often through out the season.
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Post by TyPenn613 on Aug 8, 2006 20:58:38 GMT -5
Thanks coolguy.
Its funny you bring up the links because thats something I left out. When I became a Mets Mod, many of the Fanhome guys PMed me asking to get those links posted so they could get back to the rest of the site. The Admin agreed, and posted them. Within a week, he was ordered to take them down. I'm sorry, but there is no way to buy that they have any concern over the general boards. I mean for months the baseball boards has no Admins or Mods of any sort except for me and one or two others.
We've talked about it on the baseball Mod board sometime back about how little interaction between team communities there is compared to what once was. As the team boards drifted apart, so did their rules, and suddenly members were given more leeway to attack outsiders, even those that were highly respected not long before. The trick is, the team boards have to be built around the general boards, and not vice versa. The boards should be for baseball fans who are interested in specific teams. As soon as you build the site to be just for a team's fanbase only, they will keep their discussions within their own realm.
Unfortunately, I have to admit I haven't helped the situation recently. When Scout made me "CM" they didn't want the title as mentioned and told me I had to install Admins for the team boards, the only leeway is that I could do it at my own pace. Originally, I was going to more or less ignore it, but that only lasted a few months. I'm only in college, and have far too much work between jobs and school to be a full time Admin on my own there, especially if things were continuing to fall apart.
This summer I made Admins on almost all of the boards listed above. Essentially, they were longtime Mods who I know would do the job well. That is only going to encourage the team boards to seperate because now they are answering to a dozen plus individuals rather than a gdavis, a Patronus, or me. I wasn't thrilled to do it, but I didn't have the time for it myself at the time. That said, I think a number of them would be happy to help the cause, but I don't want to tie them into something that isn't a sure thing.
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Post by BroadST on Aug 9, 2006 8:58:37 GMT -5
In reading what you guys are saying about the football and baseball boards, I am glad none of the nhl boards have any publishers. If things like that happened, it would not only scare most of the mods but posters as well. I like what we have there. There are bunches of posters that travel to rival team boards all the time. I bet half of the Leaf board regulars aren't even leaf fans.
If that is the way the football and baseball boards once were, its a damn shame what they did to them. Everything here sounds just as I feared. What Miller told Chris or not, I still believe we will try to sign on one day, and Fanhome or scout or whatever we call it will be gone for good with no notice.
As Chris knows, I am not a hockey CM although I know one pretty well and I mod the main NHL board plus a team board. I know they feel they have no support at all and it sounds to me like they do not want any. To me what Miller is telling Chris is BS. They care less about the site and don't want to even go through the effort of having a Patronous type admin. They would ask to many questions and likely have too much power. They could hire themselves a "yes man" but nobody they know probably wants to put in the time. So here we are, left on our own with our CM's/admins and mods flying solo with really no knowledge of what the future holds for a community most of us have grown to love.
Take a look at our BBQ boards over there. You can count hockey, football, baseball and basketball fans as regulars. Hell, you have some posters that aren't fans of any of those sports but they come there just for the BBQ community. That's what I love about it. Fans of all different sports and teams interacting. Its also what I fear losing. I know all of you have put so many hours in Fanhome and scout and so have I. (As much as a full time job and a 4 year old daughter will let me have) I'd go crazy if all our hard work went away in a blink of an eye.
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Post by shimmeroo roo on Aug 9, 2006 12:14:34 GMT -5
Baseballboards were once much more active than hockeyboards, BroadST. And in fact, many of the crusty old cliques you see who hang out on the main section of the old boards originated in the Braves/Mets forums where posters flip flopped on a regular basis. The Braves board used to be the most active board Fanhome-wide until Fanhome became TI/Scout.
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Post by TyPenn613 on Aug 9, 2006 12:58:55 GMT -5
The Braves and Mets boards I have to think received the most crushing blows with the merger. The Braves board is run completely different now, and I know many members who aren't thrilled with it. KHawkins was once one of the best on Fanhome, and a few months ago I dispute between him and the new Pub threw away any hope of it keeping some of what it was. The Mets board as I mentioned was bumped from the table and replaced by a different Mets community. Thanks TI.
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Post by johnf on Aug 9, 2006 14:10:33 GMT -5
Baseballboards were once much more active than hockeyboards, BroadST. And in fact, many of the crusty old cliques you see who hang out on the main section of the old boards originated in the Braves/Mets forums where posters flip flopped on a regular basis. The Braves board used to be the most active board Fanhome-wide until Fanhome became TI/Scout. Wrong. The Expos and Blue Jays boards were both the first and most active forums on Baseballboards.com. They, in turn, helped kickstart the Hockeyboards.com site as they established not Toronto Maple Leaf and Montreal Canadien forum communities, but other Canadian and some American teams as well. Hockey WAS second fiddle to Baseball, but not by much... And it was the EXPOS forum that was the most active forum before the switch. Always had been the most active...
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Post by johnf on Aug 9, 2006 14:14:34 GMT -5
The Braves and Mets boards I have to think received the most crushing blows with the merger. The Braves board is run completely different now, and I know many members who aren't thrilled with it. KHawkins was once one of the best on Fanhome, and a few months ago I dispute between him and the new Pub threw away any hope of it keeping some of what it was. The Mets board as I mentioned was bumped from the table and replaced by a different Mets community. Thanks TI. December of 2002, after I resigned, I had Met mods (shockman, Krunchyfrogg) and other posters complaining to me on a regular basis through Instant message programs about what was going on. About how "hostile" the take over had been and how the Mets forum was being decimated in both quality and quantity. That's continued off-and-on for the last 4 years. I've had hockey, football and baseball mods and members that I have known and have worked with share complaints and aggrivation about what was going on with Scout.
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Post by TyPenn613 on Aug 9, 2006 14:33:13 GMT -5
I remember the night Krunchy quit because I was pleading with him on AIM to hang around. He was the only foot in the door for Fanhome on the Mets board. I certainly enjoy the Mets board now, although the Admins don't do the same job I would. I couldn't understand at the time how K&A could simply throw away such an active board. The takeover more or less followed the lines of "You're welcome to stay, but we are going to do things our own way now."
It seems if a seperate Mets community was being merged with a large sports community, the smaller would concede to the larger. Of course, money talks, and Scout was willing to do whatever would turn them the largest profit.
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Post by TestSubjekt on Aug 9, 2006 14:43:07 GMT -5
The Braves board is run completely different now, and I know many members who aren't thrilled with it. Hopefully you've sent invites to any disgruntled posters that you know of. I've been sending PM's like crazy to any name I recognize as a longtime poster. The Braves board is run completely different now, and I know many members who aren't thrilled with it. Hopefully you've sent invites to any disgruntled posters or emails to former posters that you know of on the Mets and Braves board over there. I've been sending PM's like crazy to any name I recognize as a longtime poster using various teams active member lists.
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Post by coolguy3 on Aug 9, 2006 14:48:57 GMT -5
I'll talk with the rest of the football mods, if someone already hasn't, and give them an invite here.
I know they'd be interested in going elsewhere.
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Post by TyPenn613 on Aug 9, 2006 14:53:15 GMT -5
I haven't heard much in awhile. Despite the credit I gave KHawkins above, sometime last winter, he made a comment about hating Mets fans that sent my board into an uproar. It was made sarcastically, but half of the Mets board responded, in the same tone and were banned for it from the Braves board.
They certainly never really saw eye to eye, but the network between the Braves and Mets board use to be something worthwhile. That said, since the whole incident went down, I haven't been to the Braves board much after he removed posts I made saying how he shouldn't have posted it. The new pub over there I've talked to a few times and seems like a cool guy, but its a little to hostile because of how the boards are run now. Different rules, different standards, and shortly there after, different consequences.
As for the Mets board, the key members from Fanhome aren't around too much anymore. The best members usually don't recall too much before the whole merger, and the board works to a degree. That said, I wouldn't mind my own.
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Post by TyPenn613 on Aug 9, 2006 14:54:04 GMT -5
I will with my baseball guys as well.
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Post by BroadST on Aug 9, 2006 16:36:08 GMT -5
Baseballboards were once much more active than hockeyboards, BroadST. And in fact, many of the crusty old cliques you see who hang out on the main section of the old boards originated in the Braves/Mets forums where posters flip flopped on a regular basis. The Braves board used to be the most active board Fanhome-wide until Fanhome became TI/Scout. Wrong. The Expos and Blue Jays boards were both the first and most active forums on Baseballboards.com. They, in turn, helped kickstart the Hockeyboards.com site as they established not Toronto Maple Leaf and Montreal Canadien forum communities, but other Canadian and some American teams as well. Hockey WAS second fiddle to Baseball, but not by much... And it was the EXPOS forum that was the most active forum before the switch. Always had been the most active... To be honest, I was never trying to say hockeyboards was more popular or who started what or which is the greatest board. My point was it is being slowly taken away from us and I don't want to loose it. I have never doubted there are more baseball fans. To be honest, I don't really care. All I know is I like our community even if I usually only hang out in the NHL & BBQ boards. Even so, if they took away football, baseball & basketball, I would still be pissed. Oh and Test, as soon as I get home from vaca, some of my hockey buds will be getting some invites as well.
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Post by mistergonad on Aug 9, 2006 17:30:25 GMT -5
I got sick of scout.com and I noticed this link or flag under a friend's profile after I was banned, but I noticed nobody was posting. I thought that my friend was nice (most of the time) so I decided to check out his site, but no one was posting. I come in here today and I find some of my old friends have started posting on the site, so I decided to leave scout and I am happy to post on this site with my friends. This forum looks nice so far and I like that it is all combined in one so I could easily visit wrestling, nba, blue jays, or any board I want. cool idea creator of site
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Post by TyPenn613 on Aug 9, 2006 17:42:35 GMT -5
Is this the same friend that had trouble posting a poll?
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 10, 2006 0:03:53 GMT -5
I actually PM'ed an administrator on the Blue Jays board about the state of the board and the fact that they were forcing people away and he mockingly responded back with something along the lines of: NOOOOOOOOOO!!! PLEASE DON'T LEAVE!!!! I'LL DO ANYTHING FOR YOU GUYS TO STAY!!!
For some reason the PM cannot be viewed anymore, otherwise I'd post its original, but it's clear that they have very little regard for the people that make the site what it is.
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Post by TyPenn613 on Aug 10, 2006 0:25:22 GMT -5
I'm glad I'm not a Jays fan. That said, for those who didn't see my message on the Jays board here, I ask that no one instigate things with the Pub. He is welcome to run his site his way, our's our own way.
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Post by Jeremy on Aug 10, 2006 1:43:15 GMT -5
I don't plan on emailing them again. I just wanted to respectfully let them know my view of a few things.
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Post by shimmeroo roo on Aug 10, 2006 2:01:57 GMT -5
I have a really long reply that needs to go in this thread, unfortunately it will have to wait until tomorrow. It's too late to make sense of the jumble I wanna get out.
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Post by coolguy3 on Aug 10, 2006 7:17:03 GMT -5
I got in touch with Toth29 and he should be here. VDC should be here soon enough.
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